From: jaharvis@optonline.net Agree will all comments, however we still need to send a reply.  What would be appropriate but noncommittal or non judgmental.  Something that would be polite and politically correct. On August 20, 2021 at 10:26 PM "Jo Simpson jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net [exec]" <exec@skifederation.org> wrote: From: jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net AGREE!  Jo Simpson 775-787-7556 phone, 775-722-6468 cell jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net On Friday, August 20, 2021, 07:20:01 PM PDT, Patricia Harvey crescentpastpres@gmail.com [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> wrote: From: crescentpastpres@gmail.com I don’t think Vail Resorts even has a group or council/club person anymore that anyone can contact.  I think Andrew’s position any more. The Federation wasn’t part of the purchase of this individual’s EPIC part purchase and unfortunately for him, it wouldn’t be appropriate for us to send anything to VR and certainly not try to pursue it through any type legal method.  If he bought the pass as an individual, he’s pretty much at the mercy of whether Vail wants to refund anything or not.  I know Cheryl will agree with that.  If he wants to take any legal action against VR, that’s up to him and at his expense. I would first tell him to try through his club in Florida or the FSC.  If not, he needs to process his claim individually.  My recommendation is other than give a recommendation, we stay out of it. Pat Harvey Past President/Social Media Chair Crescent Ski Council Social Media Chair National Ski Council Federation On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Ray skiray1@aol.com [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> wrote:   From: skiray1@aol.com Our parliamentarian Mike McCrery  in Chicago who is a lawyer goes over all our contracts before signing with our changes .He is willing to look at anyone's concerns in the Federation for no charge. His email is  michael.mccrery@sbcglobal.net. Ray Piwowarczyk Message----- From: Jo Simpson jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> To: exec <exec@skifederation.org> Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2021 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Contact Us Form submitted on   From: jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net I think that the Florida council president should be contacted first to see what insights she might have on this person and what the council may have done regarding the issue. IMHO there's no recourse other than through the courts and we don't have the resources to do that plus Vail has deep pockets to fight it. From a PR perspective it's not a good look for NSCF. We could address a letter of displeasure to Vail if we have enough information, but as Mike said, they have little interest in what we think. Whoever at Vail said trip insurance would cover the loss apparently doesn't know much about trip insurance. It's a pass, not a trip. Jo Simpson 775-787-7556 phone, 775-722-6468 cell jo_simpson@sbcglobal.net On Friday, August 20, 2021, 06:37:52 AM PDT, skimikec@aol.com skimikec@aol.com [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> wrote: From: skimikec@aol.com I would think that he should have either his ski club or the Florida Council should take this up before we get involved. Plus remember what Andrew told us, Vail does not care about clubs or Councils. I do not see their attitude changing. Michael -----Original Message----- From: drlab88@aol.com drlab88@aol.com [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> To: exec <exec@skifederation.org> Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2021 9:17 am Subject: Re: Contact Us Form submitted on   From: drlab88@aol.com I'd defer to Cheryl from a legal perspective. Unless one of us has and knows how to handle this, we shouldn't be giving any legal advise. Or know who we can direct them to. I'm assuming he is a member of a Florida club? Is the club not trying to resolve?  I personally have only heard of these issues through our call in June and what I've seen posted on Facebook.  Sorry, know I'm no help. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:52 PM, Joe Harvis pastpresident@skifederation.org [exec] <exec@skifederation.org> wrote:     From: pastpresident@skifederation.org Anyone want to tackle this one?   Joe Harvis Past President 2015-2021 President 2009-2015 National Ski Council Federation Cell:      973-964-0834 Home:  973-598-1005 Email: pastpresident@skifederation.org Web:   www.skifederation.org           From: WordPress <webmaster@skifederation.org> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 6:36 PM To: webmaster@skifederation.org Subject: Contact Us Form submitted on   Name Peter Last Fowler Address 1 128 1st St E, #204 City Tierra Vy State Florida Zip Code 33715 Country United States Email pfowler7@verizon.net What Information are You Looking For? General Information Message I can’t get epic pass (vail resorts) to honor their refund policy due to COVID 19, as they said we had “trip insurance” coverage for such issues. They won’t even give us a credit for this year. Many other people in same situation. Any comment or suggestions? 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